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Herbert Minter

Male 1868 - 1963  (95 years)


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  • Name Herbert Minter 
    Birth 5 May 1868  Botesdale, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2
    Gender Male 
    _UID 24266FF968B74BC793ED741CBAF376627841 
    Death Jun 1963  Chelmsford RD Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Notes 
    • The following is taken from Dick Moore's 2015 story of Eliza Minter of Palgrave, Suffolk and her children.
      Herbert is living with the rest of his family for the 1871 and 1881 census. However, he disappears for the 1891, 1901 & 1911 census returning to the UK on 18th June 1912 on board SS Marathon from Durban accompanied by a Clara SADLER age 31.

      Herbert and Clara eventually marry 11th April 1918 at Chelmsford Registry Office. The marriage certificate describes Herbert as aged 52 "the divorced husband of Mary SADLER formerly REYNOLDS (Spinster)", a Poultry Farmer of Writtle, father Francis SADLER (deceased). Clara is described as Clara Amalia PAUL aged 36, a spinster of Writtle, father Ferdinand PAUL a Doctor of Medicine (deceased).

      Backtracking, South African records show a marriage between Herbert SADLER and Mary REYNOLDS 19th October 1898 at St. Paul's Church, Capetown by Licence, both of Full Age; Herbert a bachelor, Bank Manager living at Calas and Mary, a spinster, living at Capetown "but lately visiting at Dartford, Kent". Also backtracking from the 1911 census for Eliza/Elise MINTER/SADLER there is the birth of Clifford Reynolds son of Herbert and Mary SADLER at St. Stephen's, Matatiele, (baptised 24 January 1900) where Herbert is described as a Bank Manager. One peculiarity is that one of the witnesses or sponsor is stated to be Ida SADLER.

      Clifford is shipped back to the UK on the SS Walmer Castle on 28th November 1908 and presumably stays with his grandmother and aunts until his father and step-mother arrive in 1912. It's evident that Clara is pregnant before her arrival in the UK for John SADLER is born 22 July 1912 Oxney Green Road, Writtle, Essex to Herbert SADLER and Clara SADLER formerly PAUL. The obvious delay in their marriage would suggest that the divorce from Mary was not completed, (if it ever was), until 1918.

      Herbert and Clara make two journeys back to South Africa. Once in 1922 together with son John SADLER aged 9 and the other in 1931. On the return journey in 1931 they are accompanied by Helen PAUL, aged 47, a Matron and a resident of South Africa.

      For the 1939 register, both Herbert and Clara are living at Oxney Green Road, Writtle, Essex. Dates of birth are given as 5th May 1868 and 10th May 1881 respectively.

      Herbert dies 1963 Jun Chelmsford 4A 498 aged 95 and Clara 1966 Jun Chelmsford 4A 496 aged 85. Neither of them leave a Will or Administration.

      Second child John SADLER makes a second trip out to South Africa on his own (aged 17) in 1929 and presumably stays there. A quick visit is made back in 1937 to see his parents but I can find no trace of him after 1940 when he was serving with the South African Forces.

      First son Clifford SADLER, (or as he later became known as CLIFFORD REYNOLDS DE CLIFFORD SADLER), as mentioned above, is shipped to the UK in 1908 age 9, (possibly accompanied by Helen PAUL who is also listed on the same passenger manifest), and is resident with Eliza, Ida & Ellen for the 1911 census. He makes one trip out to Gibraltar in 1924.

      In 1933 he marries Elsa Marjory GASKELL and the couple have two children - Sarah Helen SADLER in 1937 and Michael Robin De Clifford SADLER in 1942. For the 1939 register Elsa (born 14 January 1906) and daughter Sarah (born 3 June 1937) are living at Wickesfield in the Chichester Rural District.

      Elsa dies 23rd November 1959 at 131, Old Road, Cheltenham, and Clifford subsequently marries Ruth HUNTLEY nee ROWLEY on 1st July 1966 at St. Mary's Church, Lavant, Sussex witnessed by both his children. Clifford, himself, dies 30th August 1977 at Nash Point, Lisle Court, Lymington, and Ruth, 5th May 1985 at the same address.
    Person ID I764  North Suffolk, Suffolk
    Last Modified 17 Nov 2015 

    Mother Eliza Minter,   b. Bef 23 Apr 1827, Wortham, Suffolk Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 8 Jul 1916, "Redcroft", Earley, Berkshire Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 89 years) 
    Family ID F320  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Mary REYNOLDS 
    Children 
     1. Clifford Reynolds SADLER,   b. 5 Dec 1899, Matatiele, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 30 Aug 1977, Lymington, Hampshire Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 77 years)
    Family ID F534  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 17 Nov 2015 

    Family 2 Clara Amalia PAUL,   b. 10 May 1881   d. Jun 1966, Chelmsford RD Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 85 years) 
    Marriage 11 Apr 1918  Register Office, Chelmsford, Essex Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 4
    • The marriage certificate is in the name of Herbert SADLER. Details:
      Married by license. Herbert Sadler, 52, the divorced husband of Mary Sadler formerly Reynolds (spinster), poultry farmer of Writtle, father Francis Sadler (deceased), of independent means. Clara Amalia Paul, 36, spinster of Writtle, father Ferdinand Paul (deceased) doctor of medicine.
    Children 
     1. John SADLER,   b. 22 Jul 1912, Writtle, Essex Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Yes, date unknown
    Family ID F535  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 17 Nov 2015 

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  • Sources 
    1. [S2] BMD index (Reliability: 3).
      No trace.

    2. [S108] Dick Moore, July 2011, August 2015 and later.

    3. [S2] BMD index, aged 95, Q2 1963 Chelmsford 4a/498. (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S2] BMD index, Q2 1918 Chelmsford 4a/1088. (Reliability: 3).