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Leslie Joseph Minter

Male 1897 - 1953  (55 years)


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  • Name Leslie Joseph Minter 
    Born 20 Nov 1897  Kensington, London Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    _UID 75AAD140F45542919C77D8083D469EA303B6 
    Died 31 Jul 1953  St. Louis County, Minnesota, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Notes 
    • Ancestry.com has Leslie's service records in connection with a WW1 pension claim.

      The records are held under the name Leslie Joseph Minter known as Leslie Ellis (Leslie's mother's maiden name). There's no indication of why Leslie chose to enter the army under this name but on 6 March 1918 at Westminster Police Court:
      "I Leslie Joseph Minter of 18 Elthorne Park Road, Hanwell do solemnly and sincerely decare that I was enlisted on the 1st day of May 1916 in the 1st Battn Coldstream Guards in the name of Leslie Joseph Ellis, which I now declare to be incorrect. The name of Leslie Joseph Minter contained in the accomanying certificate of birth I now declare to be my true name."
      This was signed before a magistrate sitting at the Police Court at Westminster.

      Leslie seemed, both when he enlisted in the army and when he married, to want to disguise his age. When he enlisted on 2 May 1916 he gave his age as 23 years 5 months - he would actually have been 18 years 5 months and when he married in January 1920 he said he was 28 when in reality he would have been only 22.

      Leslie joined the Coldstream Guards on 1 May 1916 at Bodmin, Cornwall, giving his birthplace as Kensington, address Seamans Home, Falmouth, Cornwall. He did two spells in France, from 19 January to 11 March 1917 and from 8 July to 15 October 1917. He was injured twice, firstly a shrapnel wound in his thigh and then, on 9 October 1917, he was shot in the arm while attacking the German position on the Houlecourt (?) front. After treatment in France he was shipped home and spent several months in hospital in Liverpool, at Alder Hey. He was examined and found to have received a compond fracture of his right humerus and damage to the musculo-spinal nerve. This resulted in loss of sensation and paralysis of the right forearm. The medical report refers to 100% disability and a review after 6 months but does not indicate what happened subsequently.
      Leslie was discharged on 22 March 1918 (when still in hospital) as no longer fit for war service. At the time, he said he was going to live at 32 Woodhall Road, Old Swan, Liverpool and gave his occupation as clerk. Next-of-kin is shown as J Minter, father, 18 Elthorne Park Road, Hanwell, although this is crossed out and 'None' inserted.

      Leslie seems a mysterious figure: why was he living in the Seamans Home in Falmouth in 1916? When did he become a musical hall artist (which he said he was when he married)? What became of him and his wife?

      September 2015: partial answers to the above questions have come via email correspondence with Frances Lack. It turns out that Leslie Joseph Minter had at least two families after marrying Annie Tait, one in England with Esther Gough, whom he apparently never married, and another in America with Esther. Frances wrote to me in early September:

      "I believe we are related as follows. My great grandfather is Joseph Minter, brother of your grandfather, Thomas. My grandfather was Leslie, Joseph's son. He did not marry my grandmother, Esther Gough. He was very close to his Uncle Charlie and when he disappeared it was believed he went to join him in America **. He married again in USA and had another family. I believe we have a photo of Uncle Charlie."

      «i»Comment by John Minter: The reference to Uncle Charlie is interesting: he was my uncle Charlie who went to America in the 1920s, married and had three daughters, two of whom, Edna and Gwen, are still alive.«/i»

      There are a couple of reasons for saying that Leslie Joseph had "at least" two families after Annie Tait:
      - Firstly, there is the birth of a stillborn female child to Emily MOESER in Chicago in 1935, the father of whom was Leslie Joseph Minter, born London, England, according to the record at ancestry.com. Further research reveals a number of interesting facts. We don't know when Leslie and Emily met but it might have been in 1929 on cruise from New York to Trinidad and back on which Emily was a passenger and Leslie a crew member. The passenger/crew list for the SS Silvia which left Trinidad on 3 July and arrived in New York on 16 July 1929 included:
      Emily MOESER, age 34, single, born 12 July 1895, Janesville, Wisconsin.
      L J MINTER, age 40, deck steward. He is shown to have been discharged from the crew after it arrived at New York, having signed on there on 19 June 1929.
      Leslie and Emily appear together in the 1930 US census of Janesville, Rock County, Wisconsin:
      Harry MOESER (head, 72, married at 37, born England of English parents, immigrated in 1884, insurance agent), Erna MOESER (wife, 66, married at 31, born Germany of German parents, immigrated in 1894), Vera MOESER (daughter, 26(?), born Wisconsin), Leslie MINTER (son in law, 40, married at 37, born England of English parents, immigrated in 1927, salesman, book store) and Emily MINTER (daughter, 37, married at 33, born Wisconsin).
      Leslie and Emily appered in the 1931 Janesville, Wisconsin, City Directory, at 520 Prairie av, Janesville, Wisconsin.
      - Secondly, and more speculatively, is what Frances Lack writes: " have a lot more info on Leslie in USA because my mother and sister visited her [Leslie's American wife]. Coincidentally her name was also Esther. … He did marry Esther twice! … he ... was prone to disappearing and once he went for so long that she Esther] divorced him but then he returned and they remarried. She never knew where he went in his absences. She told us that when she buried him she said '' at least I know where you are now''! We often wondered if there was yet another family somewhere!"
      Frances added in a later email:
      "I don't know when he finally went to USA but my Uncle Owen was born in 1927 so I assume after that. According to his wife in USA he had been in Minnesota for 20 years when he died in 1953 so that puts him there around 1933 and the census information you have for 1940 relates to him. He had 2 sons, Leslie born about 1936/7 and William born about 1939. They lived in St Paul. In about 1942, he disappeared and in 1945, Esther divorced him and moved to Duluth, Minnesota. He reappeared in 1947 and she remarried him! He died in Duluth in 1953."

      The ancestry.com collection 'New York, Passenger Lists, 1820 - 1957' has several records which probably refer Leslie Joseph Minter. In order of dates they are:
      Leslie Joseph Minter, born London, a steward on the 'Albertic' from Liverpool on 30 Mar 1929.
      Leslie Minter, B R steward, age 36 on the 'Voltaire' arrived New York from Buenos Aires & intermediates on 12 June 1929. In relation to this, Frances Lack comments "[Leslie Joseph's] pension address in USA was at one time the shipping company, Lambert and Holt.". They owned the 'Voltaire'.
      Leslie Minter, deck steward, age 40 on the 'Silvia' arrived New York from The West Indies in July 1929

      However, there is a much earlier shipping record for an 18 year-old Leslie J Minter who was a steward on the 'Cymric' which left Liverpool on 15 September 1915 bound for New York. This ties in with a statement by Frances Lack in late September 2015, and might also explain why, in 1916, he gave his address as the Seamans Home, Falmouth, Cornwall. What Frances said was:
      ".. from 1912 when he was 14 to 1916 when he joined the Coldstream guards, he was a seaman I think with P&O travelling to Malta, Gibraltar, Suez, Port Said and possibly also New York and Rio."

      1940 US Census: in St Paul, Minnesota: (all MINTER), Leslie J (head, 50, born New York (sic), account supervisor, NPA Professional Survey), Easter (sic) (wife, 30, born Minnesota), Leslie R (son, 4, born Minnesota) and William G ((son, 1 month, born Minnesota).
    Person ID I705  Great Horkesley, Essex
    Last Modified 3 May 2017 

    Father Joseph Minter,   b. 26 Jul 1875, Kensington, London Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Feb 1944, Hanwell, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 68 years) 
    Mother Mary Ann Elizabeth ELLIS,   b. 5 May 1874, Woolwich, London Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Mar 1953, Hanwell, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years) 
    Married 23 Jun 1895  Emmanuel, Paddington, London Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4
    • Married by banns. Joseph Minter, 21, bachelor, letter sorter, of 45 Warlock Road, father George Edward Minter (deceased), newsagent. Mary Ann Elizabeth Ellis, 21, spinster of 45 Warlock Road, father Thomas Ellis (deceased), cellar-man. Both signed full names. Witnesses Thomas Richard Ellis, Clara Sarah Minter, Emma Wiserman(?).
    Family ID F128  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Annie Tait WOOD,   b. 1884,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married 21 Jan 1920  Holy Trinity, Stockton-on-Tees, Durham Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • Married by license, Leslie Joseph Minter 28, bachelor, Music Hall artiste, 75 Brunswick St, father Joseph Minter, Post Office official. Annie Tait Wood 36, spinster, 75 Brunswick St, father Robert Wood, contractor. Winesses Adrian G Dewer and Richard Illiffe.
    Last Modified 23 Sep 2015 
    Family ID F178  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Esther Florence GOUGH,   b. 3 Jul 1896, Nottingham RD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 17 Nov 1980, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 84 years) 
    Children 
     1. Sylvia Betty Minter,   b. 2 Jun 1921, Leeds RD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Jun 1993, Leicester RD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 72 years)
     2. Marie Doreen Minter,   b. 21 Jan 1923, Leeds, Yorkshire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     3. Owen Minter,   b. Sep 1927, Headington RD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between Jul and Sep 1972, South Africa Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 13 Sep 2015 
    Family ID F1091  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 3 Emily Erina Harriet MOESER,   b. 12 Jul 1895, Janesville, Rock County, Wisconsin, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Children 
     1. Unnamed Minter,   b. 10 Apr 1935, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Apr 1935, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 0 years)
    Last Modified 14 Sep 2015 
    Family ID F1098  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 4 Esther Eleanor HELSEL,   b. 11 Sep 1909, Biwabik, St. Louis County, Minnesota, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 17 Apr 1991, Minnesota, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years) 
    Children 
     1. Leslie Rowland Minter,   b. 27 Feb 1936, Biwabik, St. Louis County, Minnesota, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 25 Jan 2000, Virgina, St. Louis County, Minnesota, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 63 years)
     2. William Grover Minter
    Last Modified 14 Sep 2015 
    Family ID F1100  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

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  • Sources 
    1. [S124] Birth certificate (copy).

    2. [S358] Minnesota, Death Index, 1908 - 2002 at ancestry.com, September 2015.

    3. [S178] BMD index, Q2 1895 Paddington 1a/45. (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S210] London Metropolitan Archives at Ancestry.co.uk, November 2009 and later.

    5. [S149] Marriage Certificate (copy) (Reliability: 3).
      Q1 1920 Stockton 10a/114.